In this teaser, Jeremy and Henrik break down their immediate takeaways from their conversation with Christian Keller, including model fidelity, hallucinations, and the surprising ways AI is already reshaping everyday workflows. Full episode drops tomorrow.
In this teaser, Jeremy and Henrik break down their immediate takeaways from their conversation with Christian Keller, including model fidelity, hallucinations, and the surprising ways AI is already reshaping everyday workflows.
Full episode drops tomorrow.
[00:00:00] Jeremy Utley: Welcome to Experiment Corner folks. This week we're going to do a radical new experiment. We've heard from so many of you that you love the debrief that we always conduct at the end of a conversation so much that you wish it was a separate episode. So this week and for the next few weeks, we're gonna try releasing our debrief as a teaser or trailer before we drop the full interview.
So we're going to do that today. The full interview with our special guest will drop. Between 24 and 72 hours from now, hope you enjoy. Give us your feedback.
[00:00:35] Christian Keller: Hi, my name is Christian Keller. I am an angel investor, startup advisor, and currently work as a product lead, the Meta Super Intelligence lab. I've been building AI products and models for the past 15 years, and I'm really excited today to talk to you about AI research and building AI products.
[00:00:50] Jeremy Utley: Professor Verlin, what stood out to you outta that conversation?
[00:00:56] Henrik Werdelin: You know what, I'm always so impressed when you meet people with kind energy, who seemed just wicked smart and who was just in the middle of all this, and I don't know. Right. I just, I get highly energized by having this conversation and I felt I literally could ask him like a thousand more questions. So. First, I'm just kinda like high on the, being able to talk to people like Christian, so
[00:01:17] Jeremy Utley: that's good. You're buzzing. I love it. You're, you're glowing. Henrik. Are you glowing? Glowing? Do you have the man crush?
[00:01:22] Henrik Werdelin: Yeah, the bit, but also just warm and sweaty. Um, I, I was intrigued about this thing of, you know, I thought it was very fascinating to hear about this idea of.The quality of models we can get out of the type of data we train on. And I think his explanation of text doesn't have the same fidelity as video was intriguing 'cause Yeah, thinking about it and didn't quite understand it when last time I heard about it and now I did. And obviously his other point about Hall.
I found that to be very fascinating. I, I do think like the whole bias stuff was nice to get just an explanation on because I do think that, as we talked about in the pod before, we will increasingly have to be good at understanding what are some of the limitations or some of the, the areas where using AI will not just in different direction and then be a little bit more active and kinda like understanding that, so that we don't necessarily.
Kind of have the same thing that happened with social media happened to all of us. Yeah. And so I thought this was a good conversation to have on tape. Um, and understand. I think that was my two main ones.
[00:02:33] Jeremy Utley: You know, for me, the thing that it's, it's a, it's, it's a big theme I think on the show. But you use AI to use ai and the more you work with ai, the more you discover ways you aren't and the more you get, you know, kind of triggers of, oh, I never thought to do that. And what I find is, or AI hypothesis, I haven't tested that, but I bet those realizations start to increase. Um, over time, I don't know about you, but I feel like in the last two weeks I've had more, I can't believe I never taught task CAD than ever before. And I'm, you know, we've been in the game for a while, right?
[00:03:12] Henrik Werdelin: I had this, this morning with something where I, there's something called Google Scripts, which I don't understand, but I use, and it's basically have access to my Gmail, right? And which is my email platform. And I have now all my newsletters, I get in and then every morning it looks through all the newsletters and it creates like basically a summary. And I've been using that for a while. It's been very useful. And it's one of the only newsletters I read every day is basically this kind of like, uh, now the meta news, it was fine, but it wasn't kind of like, it was a better idea than I found utility out of it. And so back to the thing about like finding problems.
I then took the one from yesterday and went to chat. I was like, this is good, but it doesn't really do it for me. There seem to, and so I actually used the model to help me figure out what is the problem I'm trying to solve. Yeah. And then when like, here's the different things. You know, it writes in the summary language, you like to have a more active language, and so you should change the tone.
You have these frameworks for how you see the world. This a plus one framework. You should basically look at not just the expression of what was in it, but you should see them in the context of some of the way that you compute whatever it was, right? Yeah. And so it has these like five different things, which was like description of the problem.
It's like, okay, now here's the code. Google script code, redo it and make it so I can just copy, paste it back in. And then I put it in a like just completely night and day kind of outcome, right? I dunno. I just thought it was like when he was talking, I was like, yeah, I could see how you need the problem. Some of you can even use AI to help you find the problem.
[00:04:39] Jeremy Utley: No, it's so important and I, it just, it makes me think, you know, many times, and by the way, Henrik, you've been doing this a long time and you're a world leader and you're an expert. And it was just yesterday that you thought, and the moment you say it, it's like, oh, that's pretty obvious. And yet you just thought of it yesterday. Yeah. And, and the point there is not to, uh, belittle, but say there are tons of things like this in people's lives and if they aren't actively realizing, wait, could air help? And I think. You know, we, we can have this moment where we're maybe we're self-conscious.
Oh my goodness. You know, forehead's laughing. I can't believe I didn't think of that. But I think another step is to be willing to say, have you asked Chachi pt? And that not be an insult? Because the honest truth is for whoever I'm talking to, if I have the idea, chances are they haven't thought of it.
Maybe the kindest thing I could do is be like, Hey, you've got an amazing collaborator who's tireless and creative and willing to spitball with you. Have you invited them in? You know? And I think that that does a few things. I mean, one, if they haven't thought of it, it gives them that, oh, you're so right.
And two, especially if you're a manager, if they have thought of it and they're kinda wondering whether they should, it gives them permission. And then three, as a manager, it gives you. The ability to now follow up and then incorporate that into your kind of story kit of cool things that you know your people are doing, right? All of that happens if you ask the simple question, did you try ai? Right? And just like we are having these kind of personal realizations ourselves, I think we can actually facilitate these epiphany moments for others if we're bold enough to ask that simple question.
[00:06:20] Henrik Werdelin: Amen. I appreciate you for waking up very early in the morning to do this podcast with us in Europe, so thank you so much for that. And I know you have a My pleasure. Uh, keynote. Can you tell what the keynote is about?
[00:06:34] Jeremy Utley: I am, uh, yeah, I am. I'm talking with a group of private equity CXOs about shifting their mindset in how they collaborate with ai, from treating it like a tool to treating it like a teammate and onboarding AI as a teammate in their companies. That's awesome.
[00:06:53] Henrik Werdelin: Well, with that, I think it's time to say. Avo. No. Um, and as always, we very, very much appreciate when people share this with a friend. 'cause that's how we grow our audience and that's how we get better people on it. And so if you enjoy this and you made all the way here to the end, share it. We'll come, we'll share it with somebody else. And the. Um, I was about to say, and the key word or the code word for this episode is baguette. But then I realized I was so stereotyping that I kind of like made a complete mess.
[00:07:31] Jeremy Utley: Can we say croissant? Is that better? Croissant.
[00:07:33] Henrik Werdelin: Yeah. Anyway, let's make, let's not make it that. Let's make the, uh, pass the, the cutch having could be, could be pie. Torch. Torch. And with that Byebye, thank you. Bye.